Saturday 17 August 2019

On the Non-Infinity of the LDS Conception of God



The “relatively infinite” God of Latter Day Saint (LDS) theology is incommensurate[i] with the infinite God of classical theism (CT).
To illustrate the notion of incommensurability, imagine that you have a topographical map of, say, Dubuque Iowa. It would be possible to take a map of the streets of Dubuque and lay it over the topographical map, and expect things to line up. You could further add a population density map of the city, a map of the locations of the city parks, a map of the rivers and lakes, and a map of all the Taco Bell restaurants. As you overlay each map on top of the other, you would continue to expect each to line up. They line up because, although they might be representing different aspects of Dubuque, each of them still describes the same town.
If you were then to take a topographical map of Paris France, and then overlay maps of streets, parks, Taco Bells, etc., of Paris Texas, would you expect them to similarly line up? You would not—you might find a restaurant in the middle of a lake, or a park on the runway of an airport. The reason is that, in this second case, the topographical map and the street map are not describing different aspects of the same city.
Paris France and Paris Texas are not the same thing. Because they are not the same thing, if one were to try to overlay a map of one over top of the other, there would be no correspondence. They are incommensurate[ii]. They are “unlike and incompatible, sharing no common ground.”
In this essay, I intend to argue that the maps of the LDS God and the maps of CT God do not line up, as it were, indicating that the classical conception of God and the God of LDS theology are likewise incommensurate.

While there are arguments that purport to prove the existence of God, they do not apply to the God of LDS theology; even if the arguments for the existence of God succeed in proving His existence, they do not likewise demonstrate the existence of the LDS God. Furthermore, if it is true that the LDS God exists, and it is true that the arguments for the CT God succeed, those arguments still don’t prove the existence of the LDS God, thus lending credence to the contention that the God of CT and the God of the LDS faith cannot be one and the same.
To make this case, I shall try to nail down the LDS conception of God, define classical theism, then briefly describe two arguments for the existence of God (from St. Anselm and St. Thomas Aquinas—the list is not intended to be exhaustive, only illustrative). Finally, even though by that point it will probably be redundant, I will explicate why these arguments do not apply to the God of Mormonism.
This argument is not intended to back either horse in the race, and takes no position with regards to whether both, one, or neither of these versions of God actually exists.

First, a quick aside into the first decades of Mormonism reveals that this divide between the LDS and CT conceptions of God has not always been quite so wide, as the LDS conception of God underwent a fairly significant evolution in the early days of the movement, with the earliest conceptions being rather more consistent with the God of wider Christendom.
The Early LDS understanding of God.
The views of God in early LDS thought are far more consistent with tritinitarian thought than are those of later LDS theology. Some observers have (correctly, I think) suggested that the original Book of Mormon (BoM) and LDS conception of God is closer to modalism than it is to traditional trinitarianism,[iii] however, the distinction between modalism and trinitarianism will not be pursued here as it is not germane to the larger argument.
Joseph Smith’s First Vision is reported to have occurred in the spring of 1820. There is, however, literally no evidence whatsoever that the prophet Joseph made any mention of it until at least a decade after it is alleged to have happened[iv], that any version of it was published until almost two decades after it is reported to have happened[v], nor that anyone else was aware of said vision during that time[vi]. The official iteration of the first vision was recorded in 1838, and published to the Church in 1842 (and eventually canonized in 1880).[vii] Sources from the time period prior to this authoritative version of the First Vision paint a picture of the early Saints conception of God that is rather different than the one the Church would come to adopt starting in the late 1830’s.
The Book of Mormon, first published in March of 1830, includes a number of passages that describe God in terms not too far removed from the Trinity. In 2600 BC, Jesus asserts that “I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son.” (Ether 3:14). Abinadi, for example (in Mosiah 15: 1-5), explains
…that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people. And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son — The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and the Son.[viii] (sentence structure as found in BoM[ix])
As the story goes, after the completion of the BoM, the angel Moroni collected the gold plates (Joseph Smith-History 1: 60)[x] from which it was translated. Consequently, all revisions to the BoM were made without recourse to source material. Had they been restricted to grammar, spelling and punctuation, such revisions would raise few eyebrows. There were, however, some revisions that made substantial differences to the meaning of some passages. In a few cases, these differences were theological significant.
In the first edition of the BoM[xi], an angel tells Nephi (in the midst of a vision) that “the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of God, after the manner of the flesh” (1st Nephi 11: 18). The angel repeatedly refers to “the Lamb of God” as “the Eternal Father” and “the Everlasting God.” (1st Nephi 11: 21, 32, 1st Nephi 13: 40). Revealingly, without reference to the authority of source material, later editions (starting in 1837, one year before the revised and official version of the first vision was constructed) inserted “the son of” into each of the above passages (changing, for example, “the mother of God” to “the mother of the son of God”) significantly changing the meaning. Although later revised, the salient point here is that the 1830 edition—the original—BoM had passages aplenty that were consistent with trinitarianism and inconsistent with the later LDS tripartite conception of God.
In September 1830 the revelation that would become Section 29 of the Doctrine and Covenants (D&C) (in particular verses 1, 5, 12, and 27) clearly indicates that the speaker is Jesus Christ, but the same speaker (42, 46) describes redemption as being “through mine only begotten,” indicating that the speaker in D&C 29 considers Himself both the Son and the Father.
The first (known) mention of Joseph Smith’s (ostensibly 1820) First Vision was recorded (but not published) in 1832 by the Prophet in his own handwriting.[xii] This first account made no mention at all of there being two distinct individuals—God the Father and God the Son—present in the vision.
…while in (the) attitude of calling upon the Lord (in the 16th year of my age) a piller of fire light above the brightness of the sun at noon day come down from above and rested upon me and I was filled with the spirit of god and the (Lord) opened the heavens upon me and I saw the Lord and he spake unto me saying Joseph (my son) thy sins are forgiven thee. (crossed out words were crossed out in original, grammar and spelling in the original; words in parentheses were inserted above the main text in original).
To the faithful Latter Day Saint, Joseph’s First Vision is “the greatest event that has occurred in this world since the Resurrection of the Master,” (Benson[xiii]) it “…answers all the [questions] regarding God and His divine personality…”  (McKay[xiv]) because “…in the few minutes that Joseph Smith was with the Father and the Son, he learned more of the nature of God the Eternal Father and the risen Lord than all the learned minds in all their discussions through all centuries of time.” (Hinckley[xv]). As such, it is among the foremost reasons for the LDS rejection of the Athanasian and Nicene Creeds—in other words, the reason for rejecting the Trinity.[xvi] 
After being told by the Lord Himself that the entirety of Christendom is corrupt and an abomination in His sight (JS-H 1: 17-20), and having first hand knowledge disproving such a foundational tenet of Christianity, is it plausible to accept that young Joseph would fail to mention—for 18 years—that the Father and Son appeared to him as two distinct individuals[xvii]? Or is it more reasonable to accept that, consistent with the BoM and D&C (and with the Joseph Smith Translation of some Bible passages, see below), Joseph Smith actually believed and taught something quite akin to the Trinity?
Another source of unique LDS scripture is the Inspired Version of the Bible, also known as the Joseph Smith Translation (JST), which was mostly completed by 1833. In revising Luke 10: 22 and Matthew 11: 27 (also without referring to the authority of source material[xviii]) the JST makes them even more trinitarian, not less so. Luke 10: 22, for example, replaces “…no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him…” with “…no man knoweth that the Son is the Father, and the Father is the Son, but him to whom the Son will reveal it.”
I don’t intend to belabor this point as it is only ancillary to the forthcoming argument. I just want to highlight that there is appears to be very little[xix] in the formative decades of LDS thought to suggest that the initial Mormon conception of God is so far removed from the God of CT that traditional arguments for the existence God would not apply.
LDS apologists counter that those who suggest that the early Mormon understanding of God was closer to trinitarianism/modalism are mistaken. The reader who is so inclined can evaluate the strength of the apologetic by following links in the footnotes[xx].

The LDS Conception of God.
As seen above, by 1838 the Prophet Joseph had distinguished God the Father and God the Son as separate personages. Then, as early as 1839 he was clearly entertaining the possibility of a plurality of Gods (D&C 121: 26-28), and seemed to fully embrace the notion by 1842 when he published the creation account found in Chapters 4 and 5 of the Book of Abraham, which refers to plural Gods some 45 times.
A central aspect of LDS theology is that God was once a man, and that we will likewise become Gods. He has a tangible physical body of flesh and bone (D&C 130: 22). We are, as it were, “Gods in embryo.”[xxi] The reader will likely be familiar the oft-repeated statement from Lorenzo Snow (who would go on to be the 5th President of the Church): “As man now is, God once was; As God now is, man may be.” President Snow unambiguously interpreted this famous couplet as a revelation from God:
…the Spirit of the Lord rested mightily upon me—the eyes of my understanding were opened, and I saw as clear as the sun at noonday, with wonder and astonishment, the pathway of God and man. I formed the following couplet which expresses the revelation, as it was shown me… “As man now is, God once was; As God now is, man may be.” I felt this to be a sacred communication...” (italics added). [xxii]
There was a time, according to President Snow’s revelation, when our God was not God (not even a God), but existed “as man now is…”
According to his son[xxiii], in 1843 Snow reported his epiphany to the Prophet Joseph, who replied “that is a true gospel doctrine, and it is a revelation from God to you.”
The following April (1844) Joseph Smith[xxiv] publicly introduced his view of theosis (the deification of man), expanding on what President Snow had previously summarized so pithily:
God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret... …I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. … It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth.... Here, then, is eternal life - to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you... (bold face and italics added)
And in June of that same year, Smith elaborated further, revealing that he had learned this doctrine from his translation of the writings of Abraham, and that God the father has a father:[xxv]
I want to reason a little on this subject [that God himself has a father]. I learned it by translating the [Book of Abraham] papyrus that is now in my house. I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the God of heaven...If Abraham reasoned thus — If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. (italics added)
One might infer from such a statement if God had a Father, then that Father had a Father in turn, and that, in the words of Fairmormon[xxvi] “the "Heavenly Grandfather" would likewise have needed to undergo a mortal experience under the patronage of yet another divine Father, and so on.” This implied infinite regress is described by our apologist brethren at Fairmormon as seemingly the dominant [position] in LDS thought.”
Infinity and eternity, by definition, have no start date[xxvii]. But if He moved from mortality to Godhood, then the LDS God does have a start date. Apostle Bruce R. McConkie:
We have an authentic account, which can be accepted as true, that life has been going on in this system for almost 2,555,000,000 years…Presumably this system is the universe (or whatever scientific term is applicable) created by the Father through the instrumentality of the Son…Suffice it to say, the passage of time was infinite from man's view point.[xxviii] (italics and underline added)
Why anyone should suppose that an infinite and eternal being who has presided in our universe for almost 2,555,000,000 years…why anyone would suppose that such a being has more to learn and new truths to discover in the laboratories of eternity is totally beyond my comprehension.[xxix]
The source of Elder McConkie’s “authentic account” that reveals this putative start date for our relative infinity (2.555 billion years), is, according to a letter from W. W. Phelps[xxx] to Joseph Smith’s brother William, the same papyri as the Book of Abraham.
If infinity only appears infinite because of our limited perspective, it detracts somewhat from the gravity normally connoted by use of the term “infinite;” so in LDS thought “infinite” does not necessarily mean infinite, and the “infinite regress” of the chain of Gods (the dominant position in LDS thought as per Fairmormon) doesn’t necessarily mean an infinite regress, per se…
For an analogy, I refer the reader to the genius musings of Bob and Doug McKenzie. In following dialogue they are discussing the making of their (vinyl) album:[xxxi]


Bob: The idea of the whole album was our lawyer’s, eh…and ‘cause like he told us he could pay us ten bucks…
Doug: Each!
Bob: Right.
Doug: So we’re not morons.
Bob: yeah! And, uh…
Doug: Like he must have put up like at least another ten.
Bob: For what?
Doug: To make the albums.
Bob: Why?
Doug: Well like where do they make ‘em eh? Doesn’t it cost money?
Bob: He said he was making them at his place.
Doug: You figure then that it was like free?
Bob: For him, yeah it is.
Doug: Where do they get that black stuff that makes the album?
Bob: From old albums.
Doug (in amazed voice): …they take a old album and like put new people on it?
Bob: yeah…well, they erase it, right.
Doug: Could we do that?
Bob: Yeah.
Doug: Oh boy. We got hosed. We coulda done that ourselves eh.
Bob: no.
Doug: Why not?
Bob: I don’t know how.
Doug: That’s a good point.
(grammar and syntax as they appear on album[xxxii])



Accepting, for the sake of the analogy, that Bob is correct in his presumption that the source of the black stuff from which to make their albums is indeed old albums, and that the black stuff from which those old albums were made was sourced from yet older albums that existed prior to the beginning of Bob and Doug’s experience, this (i) explains nothing about nature of black stuff, (ii) does not imply an infinite regress of black stuff, and so (iii) still leaves the question of where the black stuff comes from in the first place unanswered.
I will return to this idea later in the essay, as the analogy points the way to a potential, albeit partial reconciliation between the theology of CT and the theology of Mormonism.
A revelation received in 1843 (D&C 130 7-9) implies that McConkie is mistaken in his assertion that the LDS God has nothing left to learn. “The place where God resides is a great Urim and Thummim…a globe like a sea of glass and fire…” And one benefit of living on a planet size Urim and Thummim is that it acts as a source of information: “…all things pertaining to an inferior kingdom, or all kingdoms of a lower order, will be manifest to those who dwell on it…” If God has a source of information, at least some of His knowledge is contingent upon that source, and consequently, His knowledge is not infinite.
Further to the place where God resides, LDS scripture actually names the location. Defenders of the faith will try to object that “Mormons do not believe that God lives on Kolob”[xxxiii] but I do not share their confidence in such an off handed dismissal for two reasons.
First, the apologetic response is due to the fact that Abraham 3: 2-3, 16, and Facsimile 2 describes Kolob as the star nearest the throne of God, not the planet. But to be frank, the perceived quirkiness of the “God lives on Kolob” issue is not due to whether Kolob is the name of the planet as opposed to the star, but due to the fact that God lives at a specific, named, location in time and space.
Additionally, I think that the apologist hand waving is too quick to dismiss the idea that Kolob is the name of God’s planet. The above mentioned Abraham 3: 2-3 which calls Kolob a star, also describes “that upon which thou standest” (i.e. the Earth) as being in the same category of things as Kolob. Facsimile 2: 1 indicates that “[o]ne day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth…” because (Abraham 3: 4) Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest.” This is read by LDS Living (I know, I know. Not an official source of doctrine) as meaning that “Kolob rotates more slowly on its axis.” Defining seasons and days in terms of revolutions/axis rotation is a description of planets, not stars. In order for there to be “days” on Kolob, Kolob would be rotating relative to a light source (its star). Facsimile 2: 2 describes a figure standing next to Kolob, and “holding the key of power also, pertaining to other planets…” (italics added).
It is only peripheral to the central point of this essay, but my reading of Abraham is that it does not distinguish between stars and planets, and uses the terms interchangeably. LDS friendly authors have come to similar conclusions,[xxxiv][xxxv] thereby leaving enough wiggle room to make it difficult to conclude with any measure of confidence that Kolob is not the name of God’s planet.

LDS God would be non-infinite in His sovereignty. As one of a number of Gods, He cannot be absolutely sovereign over a realm that another God has sovereignty over. As one link in a chain of Gods, our God cannot be sovereign over the realms of those who came before Him, nor of the domains of those of us who will yet learn to be Gods in the future.
In the words of Joseph Smith, God had to learn to be God: “You have got to learn to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely by going from one small degree to another…”[xxxvi] Having achieved Godhood, He cannot be described as omnipotent nor omniscient as His power and knowledge are contingent upon obedience and a learning process.
Not only did the LDS God start being God at some point in the past, but, according to some interpretations (including the most straight forward reading) of Alma 42 (13, 22, 25) LDS God could actually stop being God, indicating that He is subject to external constraints of some description.
His morality was learned from a source outside of Him (His Father-God), and is constrained by learned moral principles that existed before He did. There is scriptural authority for the view that God is constrained by moral considerations found in D&C 82:10, and in Alma 42. So another reason that LDS God cannot be described as infinite is that principles of morality/virtue/moral are independent of and prior to Him.[xxxvii]
In sum, according to the dominant view in LDS theology, God is not infinite in morality, power, sovereignty, or knowledge, and in terms of being an eternal being, is infinite only relative to man’s limited point of view.

The God of Classical Theism
The simplest way to summarize classical theism (CT) is that it is a variety of monotheism as conceived by (most of) the central philosophical and theological traditions, and identifies God with the infinite, as the metaphysically ultimate reality. “Christian, Jews, and Muslims have historically maintained that there is one divine being who is the source of all reality and has the attributes of simplicity, immutability, impassibility, omnipotence, omniscience, eternality, and omnibenevolence.”[xxxviii]
Although the term was relatively recently coined[xxxix], classical theism has a long history, and is associated with such notables as Plato and Aristotle (Greece), Philo of Alexandria and Maimonides (Judaism), al-Kindi (Islam), Clement of Alexandria, Augustine, Anselm, and probably most significantly in the popular mind, Thomas Aquinas (Christianity). Classical theism is largely a synthesis of Aristotelean philosophy into Christian Theology by Aquinas[xl], following the Recovery of Aristotle.[xli]
God, in the view of CT, is…
-          both immanent and transcendent. He is manifested in the material world and at the same time is independent of it.
-          a se: God depends only upon Himself, is prior to anything upon which to depend.
-          simple: If God had parts, His existence and nature would depend upon them. But being a se, He depends on nothing, and is therefore without parts
-          immaterial: If God were made of matter, He would be made of parts. A God who is a se must therefore be immaterial.
-          not spatially extended. If He filled up any volume of space, God would be material
-          without accidents. All attributes of God are necessary. God has no attributes that are distinct from Himself, therefore God’s attributes = God. There are no characteristics that He just happens to possess.
-          …and therefore Immutable. It is impossible that God could undergo any intrinsic change.
-          impassible. Because He is a se, God cannot be affected or influenced by anything other than Himself
-          eternal/timeless. God exists in a timeless present, otherwise He would be lacking in both His past and His future
-          necessarily existent. If God’s existence were not necessary, i.e. was contingent, He would able to not exist, and a being who cannot not exist is more perfect than one who can not exist.
-          omnipresent. God must exist in (but not be contained in) all space and time. If He were not at every place and every time He would be limited and less perfect than a God who is at every place and every time.
-          omniscient. God has perfect intellect (rationality and knowledge). His knowledge is not dependent upon learning or observation.
-          omnipotent. God could bring into existence any state of affairs that is not logically impossible.

St. Anselm’s Ontological Argument for the Existence of God[xlii]
My purpose here is not to defend Anselm’s most famous argument. In this essay I only offer my best overview of the argument. To the reader interested in a more thorough reconstruction and defense, I recommend Plantinga,[xliii] Malcom,[xliv] and Google.
The Ontological Argument was initially formulated by St. Anselm in the 11th century (similar arguments were later proposed by others including Descartes[xlv] and Leibniz[xlvi]). The term “Ontological Argument” is not his, it was initially applied to the idea by Kant[xlvii] in his critique of Descartes and Leibniz. Although Anselm provided other arguments for the reality of God, the Ontological Argument is his own creation, consequently his name is closely associated with it.
There is a category knowledge referred to as a priori knowledge. A proposition is known a priori if it is known prior to and independent of the knower having learned it empirically (through sensations and experience). You don’t need, for example, to measure and compare different lines to know that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, nor to examine all of the different instances of squared numbers to know that two times any whole number is an even number, and you don’t need to compare all of the instances of circles to discover that none of them have four equal sides. Once you understand the concepts of straight lines, whole and even numbers, multiplication, and circles, you can unpack those ideas, so to speak, and know that the above propositions are true.
The Ontological Argument is supposed to be a priori in that, once you understand the concept of God as the metaphysically ultimate being, and unpack all that is contained within that idea, it ought to be as illogical to believe that God does not exist as it is to believe in a four sided circle.
Being a believer, Anselm phrased his argument in the form of a prayer, thanking God for making the proof available to him. Although phrased as a prayer, it is clearly meant to be a philosophical argument. It does not presuppose any belief in God, only that one has the ability to have the idea of God in one’s mind as “a being than which no greater can be conceived, and which exists.” So defined, God is not just the smartest or kindest or most powerful being. He has all of these characteristics to an infinite degree.
Now, exercise your intellect. Imagine this being. Remember, it does not matter to the argument whether you are a believer or not, just that you grasp the idea of a being possessing all perfections to an infinity.
Got it? Is the idea of “a being than which no greater can be conceived” in your mind?
Now, for the sake of the argument, let’s allow that God doesn’t really exist in external reality, but exists only in the intellect.
You still have the above defined conception of God, right? He still exists in your intellect, and has all the infinite attributes (compassion, knowledge, power…), except one, He lacks existence in external reality.
Now compare—which being is greater? Something that exists in the mind alone, or something that exists in the mind and in external reality? The answer is obvious—a thing that exists is greater than a thing that does not exist.
To conceive of “a being than which no greater can be conceived” but to hold that it does not exist is a logical impossibility; if it lacks external reality, it is not that which nothing greater can be conceived because you can think of something greater—something that exists.
So if you have the capacity to have the idea of “a being than which no greater can be conceived” in your intellect, you cannot even conceive of Him not existing, because if you do, you are not thinking of “a being than which no greater can be conceived.”
Once you fully grasp the concept of a circle, you cannot conceptualize a circle with four equal sides. Likewise, once you grasp “a being than which no greater can be conceived” you cannot conceptualize God not existing.
According to Anselm, anyone who understands the concept of God cannot doubt His existence, hence his statement at the start of his prayer: “Truly there is a God, although the fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.”
As I said above, my purpose here is not to defend Anselm’s argument, so I will leave it to the judgment of the reader to decide whether only the fool can say that there is no God.

St Thomas Aquinas’ Cosmological Argument
St Thomas is, in my ever so humble opinion, the most important and influential theologian[xlviii] in Christianity with the lone exception of St. Paul.
He famously offered five proofs for the existence of God in his expansive (but unfinished) Summa Theologica.[xlix] Whereas Anselm’s argument assayed to prove God’s existence by examining the contents of the mind alone, Aquinas looks to the Universe for evidence. So instead of being prior to evidence (i.e. a priori), Aquinas proposes proofs that follow from evidence (are a posteriori).
In this essay I will consider the first two proofs, but they are almost identical. Aquinas’ arguments are referred to as “Cosmological” arguments because they say, in essence “The universe didn’t just accidently happen.” Here Aquinas is being quite Aristotelean in his reasoning because Aristotle was rather concerned with explaining things in terms of their purpose.
First proof: The argument from motion. The logic is simple--if something moves, something else made it move. Well, what made that “something else” move? Something before it? And what made that something before it move? Something before it…ad infinitum? Aquinas reasons that this sequence of movers cannot go back ad infinitum because if there was no first mover, there was no second motion, and if there was no second motion there was no third motion, then no fourth motion…and there is consequently no motion in the present. Since that is absurd, there must have been a first mover.
God. The unmoved mover. The prime mover.
Second Proof: The argument from efficient causation. An efficient cause was one of Aristotle’s four causes[l]. It is that which brings about a change or that brings an event or object into being. Aquinas accepts it as axiomatic[li] that nothing is the cause of itself[lii] otherwise, to have any causal efficacy it would have to exist before it existed. Absurd. Every object or event has to be caused by a previous state of affairs, which in turn was caused by a previous state of affairs. And so on into infinity? The causation chain runs into the same difficulty as the motion chain in the first proof. If the universe has always existed, then there was no first cause. If there was no first state of affairs to cause the second state of affairs, then that second state could cause the third…leading to no events or objects in the present. Reductio ad absurdium. There therefore had to be a first cause.
God. The uncaused cause.
I want to emphasize once again that I am offering only the briefest of treatments, and am in no way defending the arguments. Once again I will leave it to the good judgment of the reader to decide the extent to which these arguments work.
I would further remind the reader that in no way am I representing Anselm and Aquinas as an exhaustive list of arguments for the existence of God. I only offer them as exhibits to illustrate a point.
A brief point about infinity:
One cannot reach infinity by adding more numbers, because infinity plus one is infinity, and two times infinity is infinity. It is an error to put actual numbers and infinity into the same category. CT God did not reach infinite knowledge by adding one more bit of information to one more bit of information until He reached infinite knowledge, because if it was learned by experience, there is always a possibility of further experience that could add more knowledge, or even falsify previous “knowledge.” CT God is not infinitely benevolent because He kept getting kinder and kinder, nor infinitely powerful because He kept getting stronger and stronger. Rather God simply possesses all perfections/attributes to an infinite degree.
By adding one more to one more, one does not eventually reach infinity. Yet if we are to attribute infinite attributes to LDS God, this is precisely what we are expected to do:
…you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation…[liii]
LDS God is not infinite in the same sense as CT God. LDS God is more infinite relative to mankind’s point of view, as per Elder McConkie.[liv] Knowledge derived from possibly 2.5 Billion years of experience[lv] might appear infinite relative to you and I, but it is not infinite in the proper sense of being beyond enumeration.



The God of Classical Theism v. The God of LDS Theology


CT: immanent and transcendent. He is manifested in the material world and at the same time is independent of it.
LDS: At a specific location in space and time

CT: a se: God depends only upon Himself, is prior to anything upon which to depend.
LDS: depends on a causal chain of Gods before Him




CT: simple: If God had parts, His existence and nature would depend upon them. But being a se, He depends on nothing, and is therefore without parts
LDS: God has a tangible physical body of flesh and bone




CT: immaterial: If God were made of matter, He would be made of parts. A God who is a se must therefore be immaterial.
LDS: God has a tangible physical body of flesh and bone. Is material.




CT: not spatially extended. If He filled up any volume of space, God would be material
LDS: God has a tangible physical body of flesh and bone; is in a specific location in time and space


CT: without accidents. All attributes of God are necessary. God has no attributes that are distinct from Himself, therefore God’s attributes = God. There are no characteristics that He just happens to possess. 
LDS: God achieved His status through obedience and learning. His attributes are not intrinsic to Him, but are predicates added to Him 


CT:Immutable. It is impossible that God could undergo any intrinsic change.
LDS: God became God (2.5 Billion years ago?), and can learn from the planet size Urim and Thummim on which He lives 


CT: impassible. Because He is a se, God cannot be affected or influenced by anything other than Himself
LDS: God could cease to be God, is bound to act when we act obediently




CT: eternal/timeless. God exists in a timeless present, otherwise He would be lacking in both His past and His future
LDS: At a specific location in space and time



CT: necessarily existent. If God’s existence were not necessary, i.e. was contingent, He would able to not exist, and a being who cannot not exist is more perfect than one who can not exist.
LDS: His existence is contingent on obedience and learning, contingent on the prior chain of Gods, could cease to be God.



CT: omnipresent. God must exist in (but not be contained in) all space and time. If He were not at every place and every time He would be limited and less perfect than a God who is at every place and every time.
LDS: At a specific location in space and time




CT: omniscient. God has perfect intellect (rationality and knowledge). His knowledge is not dependent upon learning or observation.
LDS: Gods knowledge is dependent on learning through experience and obedience; God continues to learn through the planet He lives on. 



CT: omnipotent. God could bring into existence any state of affairs that is not logically impossible. 
LDS: God is only relatively omnipotent, but His authority does not apply to the domains of those in the chain of prior Gods, or of other Gods, or of the domains of those of us who will yet become Gods. God’s power is circumscribed in some way in that He could cease to be God, and His actions are constrained by our obedience




Now let’s bring this back to the applicability of the arguments of Anselm and Aquinas to the LDS God.

Anselm’s Ontological Argument requires one to conceptualize “a being than which no greater can be conceived.” When one imagines the LDS God, He is not the greatest possible being. There are the prior generations of Gods who are greater. He is not omniscient nor omnipotent, as His knowledge and power are both contingent. “Our” God may be the greatest relative to our jurisdiction, but He is by no means a being greater than which nothing can be conceived.

So if, for the sake of argument, Anselm has proven that it is impossible to doubt that God exists, the LDS thinker cannot take solace in thinking that the existence of the LDS God has been proven. The LDS thinker necessarily falters at the first essential premisses of Anselm’s argument because by conceptualizing “a being than which no greater can be conceived” he is thinking of a being that is wholly different than the non-infinite, contingent God of LDS Theology.

The LDS conception of God flat out rejects the premisses and conclusions of Aquinas’ Cosmological Argument. By positing an infinite regress of Gods, LDS theology simply contradicts, without argument, Aquinas’ conclusion that there needs to be a prime mover and uncaused cause. LDS God is not the first cause, the unmoved mover because “our” God is simply one in that sequence of events and causes.

So even if Aquinas has proved that God exists, the argument sheds no light on the probability of the existence of LDS God.

The cosmological argument might convince us that there was a first God in the generations of Gods, but that’s not a question that is seriously discussed in LDS theology. In the LDS theology that apologists describe as the dominant position in LDS thought, there is no first cause, no unmoved mover, just a chain of God’s stretching back into eternity.

The arguments of Aquinas and Anselm do not negate the possibility that the LDS God exists, but they do not offer any support for Him either. Arguments for the existence of God as found in classical theism simply refer to a different being than the LDS God.



Finally let’s revisit the discussion of Bob and Doug McKenzie’s question of the source of the “black stuff” from which to make vinyl albums. You may recall that Bob’s confident answer was that the black stuff came from old albums. I inferred from this that the black stuff to make the old albums must have been derived from even older albums. And I drew an analogy between the regress of album black stuff to the chain of Gods reaching backward into infinity.

I suggested that even if Bob is correct in his presumptions about the black stuff, his answer (i) explains nothing about nature of black stuff, (ii) does not imply an infinite regress of black stuff, and so (iii) still leaves the question of where the black stuff comes from in the first place unanswered. The reason is not mysterious, even if it was prior to the time of Bob and Doug’s experience, the first black stuff for the first albums had to come from somewhere in order to start the chain. There had to be a first mover/first cause black stuff to get the sequence rolling.

In Mormonism, since infinity is sometimes redefined as being relative to our limited mortal experience, an “infinite” chain of Gods does not automatically preclude an unmoved mover God, an uncaused cause God standing at the beginning of the chain of Gods, prior to "our" frame of eternity. So understood, the infinite and necessary God of Classical Theism and the contingent limited God of LDS theology need not necessarily be mutually exclusive.

Frustratingly, there is a significant limit to this attempted reconciliation. That is the question of who Fathered Jesus. Wider Christendom will likely not be willing to allow that Jesus was fathered by anybody other than that being argued to exist by Anselm and Aquinas, while the defender of the LDS faith will not allow that Jesus was fathered by someone other than “our” God.

Conclusion

As I said up front, I have no horse in this race. To be clear, I am not trying to prove one system of theology false by supporting a different system.

If the arguments for the existence of God do indeed succeed, they fail to offer any support whatsoever for the existence of the God of LDS theology. If an argument proves that A exists, but fails to prove that B exists, it adds weight to the notion that A and B do not refer to the same thing. The observation that arguments for the existence of the God of classical theism cannot even be applied to the God of LDS theology indicates that there is not any overlap of the conceptual “maps,” and the metaphorical maps of each cannot be lined up. The God of Classical Theism and the God of Mormonism are incommensurate.













[i] Incommensurability (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/incommensurability/#RevParThoKuhInc) refers to the idea that two things (concepts, theories, objects…) are so different that they cannot be measured in the same way. In other words, their conceptual frameworks do not have sufficient overlap that they can be described in the same language, or if they use the same language, that language would have different meanings in each case. In simpler terms, two things are incommensurable if they are “unlike and incompatible, sharing no common ground…, or…are very disproportionate, often to the point of defying comparison...” (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incommensurable).
Lindgren, A. Bruce (1986), "Sign or Scripture: Approaches to the Book of Mormon", Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, 19 (1): 72-75.
[iv] The earliest unambiguous reference is 1832 ((Dean C. Jessee, "The Earliest Documented Accounts of Joseph Smith's First Vision," in Exploring the First Vision, ed. Samuel Alonzo Dodge and Steven C. Harper (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, 2012), 1–40. ). Online here.) There are potential (though doubtful) debatable references as early as 1830 discussed here.
[vi] …according to Assistant Church Historian James B. Allen. Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1966, Vol. 1, No.3, pp.29 - 45.
[viii] See also 2nd Nephi 21:31; Mosiah 16:15; Alma 11:38-40; Helaman 14:12; 3rd Nephi 1: 14; Mormon 9: 12’ and Ether 4: 7-12.
[ix] …perhaps it reflects the syntax of Reformed Egyptian…
[x] A few reports have Joseph Smith returning the plates to a giant cave in the Hill Cumorah (Brigham Young, June 17, 1877, Journal of Discourses 19:38.), possibly in the company of Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer (Packer, J. Cameron (2004), "Cumorah's Cave", Journal of Book of Mormon Studies, Provo, Utah: Maxwell Institute, 13 (1): 50–57, archived from the original on 2006-12-07).
[xi] In this paragraph I refer to passages as opposed to verses, and have not hyperlinked to specific verses because in the original Book of Mormon, passages were divided into paragraphs as opposed to verses. A digitized copy of the original Book of Mormon here.
[xiv] Gospel Ideals (1954), 85.
[xv] Church News, 24 Oct. 1998, 6
[xvii] An 1835 version in Joseph Smith’s diary mentions two personages, but gives no indication that they are God the Father and God the son. Found in Personal Writings of Joseph Smith, compiled by Dean C. Jessee, pp. 75-77
[xviii] BYU (i.e. Church friendly) researchers suggest that the primary source material for the JST is a Methodist Bible Commentary by Adam Clark. Wilson, Haley; Wayment, Thomas, BYU Dept. of Ancient Scripture (16 March 2017). "A Recently Recovered Source: Rethinking Joseph Smith's Bible Translation". Journal of Undergraduate Research. Provo, Utah, US: Brigham Young University.
[xix] The only exceptions that I can think of (at least when the scope is limited to the first decade of the Church) comes from Alma 42 which says that God could cease to be God, and D&C 82:10 that says that God is bound when we are obedient, both implying external constraints. If God is subject to external constrains, He is not omnipotent.
[xxii] Eliza R. Snow, Biography and Family Record of Lorenzo Snow, Salt Lake City: Deseret News Co., 1884, pp.46-47
[xxiv] Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1938, pp. 345–46.
[xxv] History of the Church, 7 vols., 2nd ed. (Salt Lake City: Deseret News, 1950), 6:473-479.
[xxvii] I will leave the actual definitions to the search preferences of the reader. Standard definitions include the notion of being beyond natural numbers, and to assign a start date would be to assign a natural number. Synonyms include “boundless” and “limitless” and to admit of a start date indicates a boundary or limit.
[xxviii] Bruce R. McConkie, Mortal Messiah 1:29-30
[xxix] Bruce R. McConkie, Seven Deadly Heresies, BYU Devotional Address, June 1, 1980 (here)
[xxx] Times & Seasons 5 no. 24 (1 Jan. 1844), 758.
[xxxi] Moranis, F., Thomas, D. (1981). Gimme a smoke. On Bob & Doug McKenzie: Great White North. Toronto: Anthem Records of Canada.
[xxxii] Grammar and syntax perfectly acceptable in Canada, eh.
[xxxiv] Gee, John; Hamblin, William J.; Peterson, Daniel C. (2006), "And I Saw the Stars—The Book of Abraham and Ancient Geocentric Astronomy", in Gee, John; Hauglid, Brian M. (eds.), Astronomy, Papyrus, and Covenant (1st ed.), Provo, Utah: Brigham Young University, p. 161.
Alvin R. Dyer, "BYU Speeches", April 7, 1964, pp. 14–15.
[xxxv] Yes, I am actually citing Denial C. Peterson.
[xxxvi] Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1938, p. 346
[xxxvii] My views on of the (ir)relevance of God to morality are contained in Zeus’s Thunderbolt, Euthyphro’s Dilemma, and the Eliminative Reduction of Sin (and an edited version of it in Sunstone), and CTR Rings: The Embodiment of a Misguided Categorical Imperative.
[xxxix] Hartshorne, C. (1948), The Divine Relativity. New Haven: Yale University Press
[xl] St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, First Part, Question 2, Article 2. See also I, Q. 1, art. 8.
[xli] Greek Scholarship was largely lost to the west until the time of the Crusades. About that time, many documents were translated from Greek (or sometimes Syriac, Arabic, or Persian) into Latin. Western Civilization: Ideas, Politics, and Society, Marvin Perry, Myrna Chase, Margaret C. Jacob, James R. Jacob, 2008, 908 pages, p.261/262
[xlii] Anselm, St., Proslogion, in St. Anselm’s Proslogion, M. Charlesworth (ed.), Oxford: OUP, 1965. [Available online, in the Internet Medieval Sourcebook, Paul Halsall (ed.), Fordham University Center for Medieval Studies, translation by David Burr].
[xliii] Plantinga, A., 1967, God and Other Minds, Ithaca: Cornell University Press;
Plantinga, A.,1974, The Nature of Necessity, Oxford: Oxford University Press.
[xliv] Malcolm, N. (1960). Malcolm’s Statement of Anselm’s Ontological Argument. The Philosophical Review, LXIX.
Malcolm, N. (1963). Knowledge and Certainty: Essays and Lectures. Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Prentice Hall.
[xlvi] Leibniz, Gottfried Wilhelm: Philosophical Papers and Letters, 2nd ed., ed and transl. by L. E. Loemker (Dortrecht, Holland, 1969), p. 386.
[xlvii] Kant, Immanuel (1958) [1787]. Critique of Pure Reason. Norman Kemp Smith (2d. ed.). London: Macmillan @ Co. Ltd. pp. 500–507. (first edition, pp. 592–603; second edition, pp. 620–631)
[xlviii] Tolomeo da Lucca. Historia Ecclesiastica (1317): "This man is supreme among modern teachers of philosophy and theology, and indeed in every subject." Historia Eccles. xxiii, c. 9.
[xlix] St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, First Part, Question 2, Article 2. See also I, Q. 1, art. 8.
[l] Aristotle. Physics 194 b17–20;
Aristotle. Posterior Analytics 71 b9–11; 94 a20.
[li] An axiom is a self evident truth.
[lii] Sidebar. Scientologists would reject this seemingly self evident truth as they believe that “thetans” willed themselves into existence.
[liii]   Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1938, pp. 345–46.
[liv] Bruce R. McConkie, Mortal Messiah 1:29-30
[lv] Bruce R. McConkie, Seven Deadly Heresies, BYU Devotional Address, June 1, 1980 (here)

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